Democratic Primary?

[burton2019]

Michael Moore is a good guy.

[PVVikeFan]

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Michael Moore is a good guy.

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Whatever floats your boat. Love a traitor, hate a traitor. Makes no difference to me.

[gcdevil22]

in that sense, george washington, patrick henry, all those guys...traitors

Just don't elect another oil person.

[imported_biggamesjames]

Great Britain might have thought so...Colonial Americans sure didn't. Are you saying that liberals who hate America are being taxed without representation? Are you saying they should set up their own anarchist government?

[gcdevil22]

nope...and neither is michael moore...so just how is he a traitor

[imported_MoonlightGraham]

whats the deal with all of the dates spudsmac, that almost looks like you did some research and those almost look like facts....you can't use facts when your debatin politics. i'm still wet behind the ears but even i know that.

[imported_biggamesjames]

In 1971, VVAW was holding quarterly meetings and met in different cities, including St. Louis, Missouri in July. From November 12 to November 15, 1971, the group met in Kansas City, Missouri. At this meeting, a VVAW member named Scott Camil advocated the assassination of certain politicians who favored continuing the war, including Senators Strom Thurmond, John Stennis, and John Tower. Some claim the idea was quickly shouted down and was never seriously discussed.

Years later, Kerry claimed he did remember the meeting in St. Louis, where acrimonious discussions had contributed to his decision to resign from VVAW. He said, however, that he did not recall attending the Kansas City meeting, and thought that he had already resigned by then. Some people who were at the Kansas City meeting claim that he was not there. Historian Gerald Nicosia, recounting the history of the antiwar movement in his book Home to War, stated that Kerry said he had resigned from VVAW at the St. Louis meeting.

In 2004, however, Nicosia said that new FBI documents included a report from an unnamed confidential source. The source recounted Kerry's resignation at a VVAW meeting, but placed the event at the meeting in Kansas City rather than at the one in St. Louis. In response, Kerry's office reiterated Kerry's claim that he did not remember being at the later meeting, but added, "If there are valid FBI surveillance reports from credible sources that place some of those disagreements in Kansas City, we accept that historical footnote in the account of his work to end the difficult and divisive war."

VVAW member Randy Barnes was also quoted in the media as having seen Kerry at the Kansas City meeting. Thereafter, however, he said that he had thought that Kansas City was first but now realized that St. Louis was first. He concluded that he might have been confusing the two Missouri meetings.

[imported_biggamesjames]

On April 22, 1971, Kerry became the first Vietnam veteran to testify before Congress about the war, when he appeared before a Senate committee hearing on proposals relating to ending the war. Wearing green fatigues and service ribbons, he spoke for nearly two hours with the Senate Foreign Relations Committee in what has been named the Fulbright Hearing, after the Chairman of the proceedings, Senator J.W. Fulbright. Kerry began with a prepared speech, in which he presented and described personally controversially referring to US servicemen in Vietnam as having been sent "to die for the biggest nothing in history," Kerry alleged that the military had "created a monster" in the form of violence-prone American soldiers, and recounted that soldiers had personally recollected stories of having "personally raped, cut off ears, cut off heads," of Vietnamese citizens and rampaging across Vietnam "[razing] villages in fashion reminiscent of Genghis Khan" [17].

[R0cketer]

So let me get this straight, just to clarify something. Now I don't really commend him downing other military folks but isn't that similar to Indian Dad questioning the behavior of a few people at the prison who don't do their job right? I mean I'm sorry, hindsight being 20/20, Vietnam is considered one of the biggest wastes of our time. It and our current situation. Now unless of course you want someone to go before Congress and lie, I mean such as saying you have proof or such, then what should he do if he thought that was the case? I mean when you look at the condition of some of the veterans from the war, the shell shocked ones, the ones who are into terrible shape, or go into flashbacks, who ended up having to commit horrible unspeakable actions, there was a lot who had become monsters. There were many who had become monsters who came back unable to mesh into society or life. The problem once again is that we seem to like to take part of something and run with it. What about when he spoke of the courage of the soldiers, or any other good. Nope he should just not say what he thinks or thought, question anything, even after the fact or after he had served, afterall if you question or think that the US or the President ever make a mistake, you're probably a terrorist.

Guess what guys, I love this country, I would fight for it and if I had to, I would die for it, but that doesn't mean everything that we do is right, correct or always the best thing.

I still find it funny that we condemn a man who served, while commending one who avoided.